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How refs spot an out of bounds punt

Posted on Jan 8th, 2018, 3:12 PM, , User Since 107 months ago, User Post Count: 10066

Well I'll be damned, I just figured it was a complete guess, not a half guess.

For fun, here is how officials accurately spot a punt that goes out of bounds. Ref makes a line from where ball was kicked to where it lands and stands on that line. Wing runs along sideline until Ref sees he is on that line and tells the Wing to stop. Pretty simple. pic.twitter.com/fbGr8OynAp
— Cork Gaines (@CorkGaines) January 8, 2018
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Posted on Jan 8th, 2018, 3:14 PM, , User Since 133 months ago, User Post Count: 21346
Posted on Jan 8th, 2018, 3:19 PM, , User Since 70 months ago, User Post Count: 5879

Shanked punt? Looks about right for Eastern.
Posted on Jan 8th, 2018, 3:25 PM, , User Since 133 months ago, User Post Count: 21346

BTW, with those empty seats it looks like they used an actual picture of a Tuesday night game at Rynearson Stadium for their diagram.
Posted on Jan 8th, 2018, 3:32 PM, , User Since 133 months ago, User Post Count: 10033

This is not new, or news. Refs have been coordinating their efforts like this for a LONG time.
Posted on Jan 8th, 2018, 3:49 PM, , User Since 126 months ago, User Post Count: 5965

jartan77 said... (original post)

This is not new, or news. Refs have been coordinating their efforts like this for a LONG time.

Thx for educating us
Posted on Jan 9th, 2018, 12:20 PM, , User Since 219 months ago, User Post Count: 27416

sorcery has no place in the game of football. the ref should be burned at the stake.
Posted on Jan 9th, 2018, 12:30 PM, , User Since 133 months ago, User Post Count: 28171

So in this age of advanced technology we are still measuring things in football with chains, index cards, and two old guys going, "yeah, that looks about right."
Posted on Jan 9th, 2018, 12:32 PM, , User Since 122 months ago, User Post Count: 29027

First concussion protocol and now trigonometry?

This sport is going to total shit.
Posted on Jan 9th, 2018, 12:42 PM, , User Since 105 months ago, User Post Count: 1010

Still makes me think of this every time.
Posted on Jan 9th, 2018, 12:45 PM, , User Since 219 months ago, User Post Count: 27416

JEK said... (original post)

So in this age of advanced technology we are still measuring things in football with chains, index cards, and two old guys going, "yeah, that looks about right."

yup. first down!!!!!!!
Posted on Jan 9th, 2018, 12:56 PM, , User Since 133 months ago, User Post Count: 2027

Further proof that the Earth is flat.
Posted on Jan 9th, 2018, 1:17 PM, , User Since 55 months ago, User Post Count: 1132

JEK said... (original post)

So in this age of advanced technology we are still measuring things in football with chains, index cards, and two old guys going, "yeah, that looks about right."

Let's put sensors in the football and make it glow and have comet tails. Would be awesome.
Posted on Jan 9th, 2018, 1:35 PM, , User Since 49 months ago, User Post Count: 1386

JEK said... (original post)

So in this age of advanced technology we are still measuring things in football with chains, index cards, and two old guys going, "yeah, that looks about right."

yeah, why not put a beacon in the ball and track it with GPS, then you'd know exactly where to spot the ball. Just think, you could look at video replay, spot the exact time the knee went down, then pull the tracking info on the ball and have an exact spot.
Posted on Jan 9th, 2018, 3:42 PM, , User Since 130 months ago, User Post Count: 2141

WTF? No use of Navier Stokes to adjust for ball shape, wind speed and direction?
Posted on Jan 9th, 2018, 3:54 PM, , User Since 133 months ago, User Post Count: 1769

ManoftheClub said... (original post)

yeah, why not put a beacon in the ball and track it with GPS, then you'd know exactly where to spot the ball. Just think, you could look at video replay, spot the exact time the knee went down, then pull the tracking info on the ball and have an exact spot.

I've seriously wondered why they haven't done something like this. It's not like placing a chip on both ends of the ball would impact it in any way. This would go a long way towards removing controversy and ref stupidity. Then again it may cost a few $ and you know how badly pro and college football are bleeding money.
Posted on Jan 9th, 2018, 5:02 PM, , User Since 126 months ago, User Post Count: 10948

MSUDersh said... (original post)

Well I'll be damned, I just figured it was a complete guess, not a half guess.

For fun, here is how officials accurately spot a punt that goes out of bounds. Ref makes a line from where ball was kicked to where it lands and stands on that line. Wing runs along sideline until Ref sees he is on that line and tells the Wing to stop. Pretty simple. pic.twitter.com/fbGr8OynAp
— Cork Gaines (@CorkGaines) January 8, 2018

Can't the referee just go to the spot in the line himself?

Lazy POS...
Posted on Jan 9th, 2018, 6:17 PM, , User Since 87 months ago, User Post Count: 192

stymie2000 said... (original post)

I've seriously wondered why they haven't done something like this. It's not like placing a chip on both ends of the ball would impact it in any way. This would go a long way towards removing controversy and ref stupidity. Then again it may cost a few $ and you know how badly pro and college football are bleeding money.

GPS isn't high enough resolution to be worthwhile -you'd get location but it'd be within several feet of actual.

Chip(s) inside of the ball get closer to solving the problem but you'd be hard pressed to find some sensing technology that can be non-invasive and sensitive enough to detect the position of the ball precisely when it is possibly many tens of feet in the air (in the case of a punt like this).

Sure sensors could be used to determine the position of a (relatively low to the ground) ball pretty precisely like they do in soccer, but you're forgetting the other side of the coin here - you can tell where the ball is at as precisely as you want but it doesn't matter a bit if you can't determine when the runner goes down....
Posted on Jan 10th, 2018, 9:31 AM, , User Since 133 months ago, User Post Count: 14603

dowrn said... (original post)

GPS isn't high enough resolution to be worthwhile -you'd get location but it'd be within several feet of actual.

Chip(s) inside of the ball get closer to solving the problem but you'd be hard pressed to find some sensing technology that can be non-invasive and sensitive enough to detect the position of the ball precisely when it is possibly many tens of feet in the air (in the case of a punt like this).

Sure sensors could be used to determine the position of a (relatively low to the ground) ball pretty precisely like they do in soccer, but you're forgetting the other side of the coin here - you can tell where the ball is at as precisely as you want but it doesn't matter a bit if you can't determine when the runner goes down....

At the very least you should be able to have sensors in the noses of the ball and the goal line. No more dicking around with whether the ball crossed.
Posted on Jan 10th, 2018, 9:51 AM, , User Since 121 months ago, User Post Count: 13831

dowrn said... (original post)

GPS isn't high enough resolution to be worthwhile -you'd get location but it'd be within several feet of actual.

Chip(s) inside of the ball get closer to solving the problem but you'd be hard pressed to find some sensing technology that can be non-invasive and sensitive enough to detect the position of the ball precisely when it is possibly many tens of feet in the air (in the case of a punt like this).

Sure sensors could be used to determine the position of a (relatively low to the ground) ball pretty precisely like they do in soccer, but you're forgetting the other side of the coin here - you can tell where the ball is at as precisely as you want but it doesn't matter a bit if you can't determine when the runner goes down....

Actually Centimeter-accurate GPS is a thing.

But each stadium would need to install a reference station.
Posted on Jan 10th, 2018, 9:53 AM, , User Since 133 months ago, User Post Count: 2027

RBW Spartan said... (original post)

At the very least you should be able to have sensors in the noses of the ball and the goal line. No more dicking around with whether the ball crossed.

Whether it crossed isn't always the issue. The relation of the ball crossing to the player being down is often the question. How do you propose to sensor your way out of that problem?
Posted on Jan 10th, 2018, 9:57 AM, , User Since 187 months ago, User Post Count: 9533

Dirk Hardpeck said... (original post)

Whether it crossed isn't always the issue. The relation of the ball crossing to the player being down is often the question. How do you propose to sensor your way out of that problem?

Hmm you could have a light go off when the ball crosses the goal line. Then on replay you could see exactly when the knee is down and if the light is on. Bam problem solved.
Posted on Jan 10th, 2018, 10:03 AM, , User Since 133 months ago, User Post Count: 2027

spartan15msu said... (original post)

Hmm you could have a light go off when the ball crosses the goal line. Then on replay you could see exactly when the knee is down and if the light is on. Bam problem solved.

And if the player is blocked from sight in the pile?
Posted on Jan 10th, 2018, 10:07 AM, , User Since 55 months ago, User Post Count: 1132

Dirk Hardpeck said... (original post)

And if the player is blocked from sight in the pile?

Put a light blue glow around the football like FOX did with the hockey puck. You could even see it when the puck was blocked by the boards.
Posted on Jan 10th, 2018, 10:07 AM, , User Since 107 months ago, User Post Count: 10066

Dirk Hardpeck said... (original post)

And if the player is blocked from sight in the pile?

You're grasping at straws. Spartan15's suggestion is great. Sure, there will be times when the player is blocked from sight in a pile, but let's be realistic. Can you think of any example (besides the M "TD" after a 15 second scrum in the 2015 JWJ game) when the ball carrier was totally blocked in this type of situation? More often than not it's something like the Pendleton 75 yd catch & run in the same game, where the player is getting tackled one one one just as he reaches the goal line.

Even if the ball carrier is blocked 10% of the time you'd want to use that type of visual cue, it means 90% of the time the visual cue would work.

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Posted on Jan 10th, 2018, 10:08 AM, , User Since 187 months ago, User Post Count: 9533

Dirk Hardpeck said... (original post)

And if the player is blocked from sight in the pile?

Well you can't review something you can't see. Without seeing the knee the call is what it is. That's the case now and if they chipped the ball.

How.do.referees Determine Where to.take the Ball.out of Bounds From

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